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TOPIC: Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide

Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 27 Jul 2011 22:18 #5998

For a while now I've been curious what items change the Mystic Egg into which creatures. so today, finding too much spare time on my hands, I decided to experiment with it and list what each item transforms the Mystic Egg into. Many thanks to IVIad IVIaxx who laid a lot of the groundwork including finding out a good few of the combinations before I got around to it today, and also thanks to Andyman for providing a crucial piece of information to help us unravel the mystery.

Mystic Egg is a very odd creature within the Culdcept universe. At 0/30 ST/MHP the egg itself is rather weak but considering it costs 0G to summon the weak base stats can perhaps be overlooked. It's its in-battle ability that makes it stand out from all of the other creatures in the game however: In battle it can transform into one of several other creatures for the duration of the battle, however this transformation is not random. In order to transform, Mystic Egg must be equipped with an item in battle. Furthermore, when it does transform that transformation is predetermined depending on the item it is equipped with from between 5 different possible creatures: Goblin, Salamander, Ice Salamander, Ghoul, and Nightmare.

Something anyone using Mystic Egg should note however, is that any item used on Mystic Egg has no effect other than to turn Mystic Egg into another creature (except for "The Hand" and "Gremlin Amulet" both of whose effects are able to kick in before Mystic Egg's Ability). -ie: if I used a Gaseous Form on my Mystic Egg, Mystic Egg would turn into a Ghoul for that battle and would be able to attack with all 40 ST because Gaseous Form no longer functions to drop his ST to 0; -however at the same time Gaseous Form would also fail to function to prevent any normal damage and thus if the foe was able to do at least 30 Damage to me (Ghoul's MHP) the battle would end with my Mystic Egg being killed.

What governs the Mystic Egg's transformations is the internal order in which the cards are listed in the game (this, while similar, is not the same as the order we see them in when playing, but instead is the order in which they were programmed into the game) -If you would like to view the list of of cards in the order as they were programed you can find it at: <a class="postlink" target="_top" href="culdcept.referata.com/wiki/Card_List" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">culdcept.referata.com/wiki/Card_List.
When looking at the list found at that link you can figure out what card will transform the Mystic Egg into which creature by starting at the beginning of the list (the creature cards) and then using this pattern: Goblin, Salamander, Ice Salamander, Ghoul, Nightmare. This pattern repeats every five cards on that list all the way down through the items.
However, since doing that every time a mystic egg came into battle would be a headache to do to say the least, I have taken the time to compile a more convenient list of each of the possible transformations and which item (and creature cards stolen by a Mystic Egg equipped with “The Hand”) cause that particular transformation below:


The list of each item's corresponding creature it transforms Mystic Egg into is as follows:

Ghoul:
Armet, Bell of Law, Buckler, Charm, Dragon Slayer, Elven Cloak, Flame Whip, Gaseous Form, Gremlin Amulet, Mujina Mask, Phoenix Amulet, Polestar, Ring of the Vampire, Ripper Knife, Sallet, Sleep, Tiger Robe, Winged Boots

Goblin:
Arcanum, Blood Spoil, Firebolt, Golden Goose, Handcuffs, Holy Grail, Lance of Odin, Magic Shield, Morning Star, Nunchaku, Protean Ring, Queen's Torch, Rock Biter, Scale Armor, Soul Blast, Terrair, Tower Shield, Wind Shield

Ice Salamander:
Air Slasher, Boomerang, Changing Salve, Claymore, Coin of Piety, Counter Amulet, Dragon Shield, Earth Shield, Evil Eyeball, Flame Tongue, Gem of Life, Heavy Halberd, Holy Symbol, Maneater, Sonic Drum, Spear, Ring of the Succubus, Vampire Killer, Worm Sword

Nightmare:
Angel Cape, Battle Axe, Catapult, Crossbow, Deadly Thorn, Dynamite, Fire Shield, Hell Blaze, Icicle, Leather Armor, Mace, Masamune, Neutral Amulet, Nuclear Fusion, Plate Mail, Silver Plow, Sling, Wind Cutter

Salamander
Chainmail, Freeze, Ghoul's Claw, Hand Bomb, Holy Shield, Iksear, Lightning Bolt, Long Sword, Magic Belt, Necro Scarab, Offering Doll, Petrify Stone, Pot of Souls, Stone Hail, Sword of the Falcon, The Hand*, Tribal Mail, Water Shield

* = "The Hand" is a unique item when equipped on Mystic Egg because it's effect actually does get a chance to kick in before Mystic Egg's ability essentially eats the item to change its form. This means that by equipping The Hand on Mystic Egg you actually still are able to steal the opponent's item if they equip one before transforming into a more fearsome monster. Of course the only problem with this is that you will have less control over what your Mystic Egg morphs into if you choose to use this strategy because what it morphs into is then dictated by the item that was stolen (yes this can also include any creatures the opponent used as a support on their bloody pudding, etc). -Oh, and in case anyone is curious what happens in the event that you should equip The Hand to your Mystic Egg and the opponent refuse to give you any items to transform with, worry not because The Hand will transform you into a Salamander all on its own if it's unable to steal the opponent's item.

Because this means that there is a chance that any creature in the game could become an item on Mystery Egg, they too have corresponding transformations for each one. Again to save the trouble of having to manually go down the aforementioned list on the link further up in this guide every time, I will provide a summary list I took the time to compile myself below:


The list of each creature card's corresponding creature it transforms Mystic Egg into is as follows:

Goblin:

Armed Gear, Bandit, Bundle Gear, Cleric, Horned Chameleon, Lunatic Hare, Ninja, Shade, Tyrannosaurus,
Ashura, Dragon, Gas Cloud, Homonculus, Kobold, Phoenix, Valkyrie,
Crustacea, Dagon, Giant Eel, Hydra, Lion's Mane, Mycoron, Undine,
Coati, Dark Elf, Gargoyle, Giant Slug, Pan, T'ao T'ieh, Troll, Wereboar,
Elf, Ghost, Hornet, Knight, Paladin, Road Runner, Simurgh

Salamander:

Berserker, Decoy, Fighter, Giant Crawler, Goblin, Hobgoblin, Skeleton, Unseen Stalker, Wraith,
Barrow Wight, Blast Sphere, Chimera, Dragonfly, Efreet, Manticore, Salamander,
Deadly Fungus, Deep Spawn, Kelpie, Lizardman, Mad Clown, Storm Giant, Wizard,
Armadillo, Carbuncle, Cockatrice, Dark Master, Dwarf, Toxic Flower, Vampire,
Giant Bat, Gilded Raptor, Hurricane, Myrmecoleo, Nightmare, Sabre Claw, Sprite, Wyvern

Ice Salamander:

Amber Mosquito, Battle Gear (alpha), Cyclops, Doppelganger, Giant Snake, Hoodlum, Migoal, Steam Gear, Werewolf,
Bistair, Cait Sith, Drain Roper, Flame Weevil, Juggernaut, Minotaur, Will o' the Wisp,
Bloody Pudding, Charybdis, Leviathan, Mujina, Nymph, Sea Monk, Wall of Ice,
Dragon Zombie, Ghoul, Gnome, Mummy, Ooze, Sandman, Tiger Beetle,
Griffon, Igneous Fatui, Mage, Nue, Pushpull, Spectre, Succubus

Ghoul:

Battle Gear (beta), Dracoaves, Ethereal Queen, Giant Spider, Hedgehog, Mystic Egg, Samurai, Zombie,
Ba-al, Camazotz, Elder Dragon, Fire Giant, Flame Lord, Pillar of Flame, Radon, Sorceror,
Behemoth, Geophage, Ice Salamander, King Tortoise, Lilith, Megalodon, Nessie,
Basilisk, Dee & Dum, Dryad, Green Mold, Mantrap, Wall of Stone, Wood Folk,
Beelzebub, Gremlin, Harpy, Mothman, Siren, Thunder Beak, Virus

Nightmare:

Baldanders, Borgess, Chupacabra, Dragonoid, Giant Rat, Little Gray, Thief, Wolf,
Acheron, Fire Drake, Golem, Hellhound, Old Willow, Old Willow, Pyromancer, Son Ascetic,
Anubias, Giant Amoeba, Kraken, Lung, Medusa, Merfolk, Pirate, Remora,
Barong, Cerberus, Death Gaze, Druid, Mandrake, Ormec Head, Selenear,
Dullahan, Eidolon, Genie, Kung-Fu Monk, Leveller, Pegasus, Powder Eater



And there you have it folks. The Mystic Egg's many secrets unveiled for all to see at long last. I hope you all enjoy it!
Once again, many thanks to IVIad IVIaxx and Andyman for their great help with the research needed to help me complete this guide.

"Mercy is the mark of a great man!" *stabs a little* "Guess I'm just a good man" *stabs again* "well... I'm alright." -Malcom Reynolds in a duel; Firefly.
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Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 27 Jul 2011 22:31 #5999

As mentioned above, during my testing of Mystic Egg with the various items I came across an interesting fact which is that if Mystic Egg has "The Hand" equipped it is able to steal the foe's item before being transformed into the corresponding creature. This also means that Mystic egg can (with the help of "The Hand") find itself equipped with supporting creature cards thanks to a generous opponent and thus will transform. The most interesting thing I found about this is that each individual creature card also has a corresponding transformation it causes the Mystic Egg to undergo in battle (still limited to the five options of Ghoul, Goblin, Ice Salamander, Nightmare, and Salamander) which to quote myself when i realized this meant i had a crap load of new combinations to test out if the list for Mystic Egg's transformations is to be Exhaustive. While I have some time between now and when the next semester starts, I do not have that much time thus I will only be able to give a very small portion of the possible transformations for the corresponding supporting creature cards when equipped on Mystic Egg for the time being.

the creature cards I currently know the corresponding transformations of are as follows:

Ghoul:
Ethereal Queen, Mystic Egg,

Goblin:
Cleric,

Ice Salamander:
???,

Nightmare:
???,

Salamander:
???,



Also, if any one or more people would like to help in this rather large endeavor I would welcome the help -just post your findings below and I'll consolidate them to this post from time to time :)
Thanks!

"Mercy is the mark of a great man!" *stabs a little* "Guess I'm just a good man" *stabs again* "well... I'm alright." -Malcom Reynolds in a duel; Firefly.
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Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 27 Jul 2011 22:47 #6000

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Thanks again for taking the wheel on this one. :D

I had 37 of the 91 items figured out, but was focusing on finding the pattern. I am convinced there either isn't one, or the pattern somehow correlates to some of the original Japanese text.

Very nice guide! :)

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Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 28 Jul 2011 11:34 #6009

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I've added your great guide to the DS Guides section on the main site, with a note that The Hand morph list will be added when it's ready. Thanks!
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Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 29 Jul 2011 15:54 #6022

Good news everyone! Talking with Andyman and IVIad IVIaxx in the chat this morning I was able to not only get the full list of which creatures used as support on Mystic Egg would result in which transformations, but we were also able to crack that elusive pattern that governs the transformation Maxx and I had been trying to pin down for so long! Many thanks to IVIad IVIaxx and Andyman for their work in helping to figure this out! :)
I will shortly edit my original post to include the following information:

It seems the Mystic Egg's transformations are governed by the internal order in which the cards are listed in the game (this, while similar, is not the same as the order we see them in when playing, but instead is the order in which they were programmed into the game) -If you would like to view the list of of cards in the order as they were programed you can find it at: <a class="postlink" target="_top" href="culdcept.referata.com/wiki/Card_List" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">culdcept.referata.com/wiki/Card_List . When looking at the list you can figure out what card will transform the Mystic Egg into which creature by using this pattern: Goblin, Salamander, Ice Salamander, Ghoul, and Nightmare. this pattern repeats every five cards on that list all the way down.

However, since that would be a headache to do to say the least, I have taken the time to compile a more convenient list of each of the possible transformations and which creature cards (that when stolen by a Mystic Egg with The Hand) cause that particular transformation below:

Goblin:
Armed Gear, Bandit, Bundle Gear, Cleric, Horned Chameleon, Lunatic Hare, Ninja, Shade, Tyrannosaurus,
Ashura, Dragon, Gas Cloud, Homonculus, Kobold, Phoenix, Valkyrie,
Crustacea, Dagon, Giant Eel, Hydra, Lion's Mane, Mycoron, Undine,
Coati, Dark Elf, Gargoyle, Giant Slug, Pan, T'ao T'ieh, Troll, Wereboar,
Elf, Ghost, Hornet, Knight, Paladin, Road Runner, Simurgh

Salamander:
Berserker, Decoy, Fighter, Giant Crawler, Goblin, Hobgoblin, Skeleton, Unseen Stalker, Wraith,
Barrow Wight, Blast Sphere, Chimera, Dragonfly, Efreet, Manticore, Salamander,
Deadly Fungus, Deep Spawn, Kelpie, Lizardman, Mad Clown, Storm Giant, Wizard,
Armadillo, Carbuncle, Cockatrice, Dark Master, Dwarf, Toxic Flower, Vampire,
Giant Bat, Gilded Raptor, Hurricane, Myrmecoleo, Nightmare, Sabre Claw, Sprite, Wyvern

Ice Salamander:
Amber Mosquito, Battle Gear (alpha), Cyclops, Doppelganger, Giant Snake, Hoodlum, Migoal, Steam Gear, Werewolf,
Bistair, Cait Sith, Drain Roper, Flame Weevil, Juggernaut, Minotaur, Will o' the Wisp,
Bloody Pudding, Charybdis, Leviathan, Mujina, Nymph, Sea Monk, Wall of Ice,
Dragon Zombie, Ghoul, Gnome, Mummy, Ooze, Sandman, Tiger Beetle,
Griffon, Igneous Fatui, Mage, Nue, Pushpull, Spectre, Succubus

Ghoul:
Battle Gear (beta), Dracoaves, Ethereal Queen, Giant Spider, Hedgehog, Mystic Egg, Samurai, Zombie,
Ba-al, Camazotz, Elder Dragon, Fire Giant, Flame Lord, Pillar of Flame, Radon, Sorceror,
Behemoth, Geophage, Ice Salamander, King Tortoise, Lilith, Megalodon, Nessie,
Basilisk, Dee & Dum, Dryad, Green Mold, Mantrap, Wall of Stone, Wood Folk,
Beelzebub, Gremlin, Harpy, Mothman, Siren, Thunder Beak, Virus

Nightmare:
Baldanders, Borgess, Chupacabra, Dragonoid, Giant Rat, Little Gray, Thief, Wolf,
Acheron, Fire Drake, Golem, Hellhound, Old Willow, Old Willow, Pyromancer, Son Ascetic,
Anubias, Giant Amoeba, Kraken, Lung, Medusa, Merfolk, Pirate, Remora,
Barong, Cerberus, Death Gaze, Druid, Mandrake, Ormec Head, Selenear,
Dullahan, Eidolon, Genie, Kung-Fu Monk, Leveller, Pegasus, Powder Eater

"Mercy is the mark of a great man!" *stabs a little* "Guess I'm just a good man" *stabs again* "well... I'm alright." -Malcom Reynolds in a duel; Firefly.
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Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 02 Aug 2011 17:04 #6045

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I have added this new information to your guide on the site. Thanks again for sharing this! :D
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Unravaling the mysteries of the mysterious Mystic Egg -guide 03 Aug 2011 10:27 #6050

Thanks Andy. Always happy to lend a hand if I'm able.

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